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	<title>Comments on: Lawyer-Bloggers Beware: Don&#8217;t Criticize a Judge</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew Flusche</title>
		<link>http://www.legalandrew.com/2007/12/17/lawyer-bloggers-beware-dont-criticize-a-judge/comment-page-1/#comment-46272</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Flusche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comments from you guys.

Lawyers are officers of the court.  Sure they can criticize judges, within reason.  But lawyers must also have respect for judges to make the court system function properly.

Surely we all agree that a lawyer can&#039;t call the judge an &quot;evil, unfair witch&quot; in open court.  And we also agree that a lawyer has to keep up standards of behavior even outside the courtroom.  I guess the question is how high those standards must be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments from you guys.</p>
<p>Lawyers are officers of the court.  Sure they can criticize judges, within reason.  But lawyers must also have respect for judges to make the court system function properly.</p>
<p>Surely we all agree that a lawyer can&#8217;t call the judge an &#8220;evil, unfair witch&#8221; in open court.  And we also agree that a lawyer has to keep up standards of behavior even outside the courtroom.  I guess the question is how high those standards must be.</p>
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		<title>By: California Labor Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>California Labor Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judges are servants of the people. They&#039;re human and not perfect. They wield tremendous power over their fellow citizens. Their decisions can literally save or destroy lives. Is it surprising that the power can sometimes get to their heads? 

As a practicing trial attorney, I believe people need to stop placing judges on pedestals. I&#039;ve read attorney Conway&#039;s posts about Judge Aleman. Sure he could&#039;ve toned it down a little. But then again, I think he had grounds to be upset.

Why should we shield judges from criticism, much of which might be deserved? Judges should EARN respect, just like everyone else. Let them earn the respect of their fellow citizens by the demonstrated wisdom and fairness of their decisions, not demand it on the basis of title alone. 

Why should judges be exempted from criticism, especially when it&#039;s deserved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judges are servants of the people. They&#8217;re human and not perfect. They wield tremendous power over their fellow citizens. Their decisions can literally save or destroy lives. Is it surprising that the power can sometimes get to their heads? </p>
<p>As a practicing trial attorney, I believe people need to stop placing judges on pedestals. I&#8217;ve read attorney Conway&#8217;s posts about Judge Aleman. Sure he could&#8217;ve toned it down a little. But then again, I think he had grounds to be upset.</p>
<p>Why should we shield judges from criticism, much of which might be deserved? Judges should EARN respect, just like everyone else. Let them earn the respect of their fellow citizens by the demonstrated wisdom and fairness of their decisions, not demand it on the basis of title alone. </p>
<p>Why should judges be exempted from criticism, especially when it&#8217;s deserved?</p>
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		<title>By: Pocket Handkerchief in Space</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pocket Handkerchief in Space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no quibble with what counselor Conway posted on JAABlog.  It was within reason, and well within his first amendment rights to do so.  Consider that the judge in question, Cheryl Alemán, is now on trial for actions inconsonant with her judicial responsibilities.

As for the issue that Conway called Alemán an &quot;evil, unfair witch&quot;, he can certainly opt to claim a truth defense on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no quibble with what counselor Conway posted on JAABlog.  It was within reason, and well within his first amendment rights to do so.  Consider that the judge in question, Cheryl Alemán, is now on trial for actions inconsonant with her judicial responsibilities.</p>
<p>As for the issue that Conway called Alemán an &#8220;evil, unfair witch&#8221;, he can certainly opt to claim a truth defense on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Modern Living Room Furniture</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modern Living Room Furniture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think that some amount of decorum is required when referring to judges. They are after all figures of some authority and import, and as such, should be subject to some protection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think that some amount of decorum is required when referring to judges. They are after all figures of some authority and import, and as such, should be subject to some protection.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Flusche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Flusche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

Whew!  It looks like you had a little steam to blow there.  Both of the cases you cite seem like failings of the ethics rules, but no system can be perfect.

I don&#039;t know about my fellow lawyers, but I&#039;m scared out of my mind that I&#039;m going to commit and ethical violation.  That&#039;s enough to keep me in line right there!

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Whew!  It looks like you had a little steam to blow there.  Both of the cases you cite seem like failings of the ethics rules, but no system can be perfect.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about my fellow lawyers, but I&#8217;m scared out of my mind that I&#8217;m going to commit and ethical violation.  That&#8217;s enough to keep me in line right there!</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Kasoff - The Thug Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Kasoff - The Thug Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect for the fine gentlemen of the bar, ethics rules are a joke. Today&#039;s St. Louis Post-Dispatch &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/712BE5EA5FDC6BB4862573B40073C983?OpenDocument&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reports &lt;/a&gt; on two judges in southern Illinois who were convicted of DUI after causing an accident and engaging in some rather humorous misconduct afterward. The extent of their discipline was, basically, to apologize.

In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2006-09-20/news/mystery-woman/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;another case&lt;/a&gt;, a St. Louis attorney used a trust fund for which she was trustee as an investment bank for another of her clients, without any authorization from the beneficiaries. She is now an unnamed co-conspirator in her client&#039;s federal fraud indictment. She recently disclosed that her &quot;investment&quot; in her other client&#039;s projects has caused a loss of 60% of the value of the trust. Yet our state&#039;s ethical panel felt that since she wasn&#039;t charged with a crime, no ethical violation could have occurred.

Now, you post a story that an attorney faces 5 ethical charges for bad mouthing a judge. And you guys wonder why so many people hate attorneys?

Nick Kasoff
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thugreport.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Thug Report&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect for the fine gentlemen of the bar, ethics rules are a joke. Today&#8217;s St. Louis Post-Dispatch <a href="http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/712BE5EA5FDC6BB4862573B40073C983?OpenDocument">reports </a> on two judges in southern Illinois who were convicted of DUI after causing an accident and engaging in some rather humorous misconduct afterward. The extent of their discipline was, basically, to apologize.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2006-09-20/news/mystery-woman/">another case</a>, a St. Louis attorney used a trust fund for which she was trustee as an investment bank for another of her clients, without any authorization from the beneficiaries. She is now an unnamed co-conspirator in her client&#8217;s federal fraud indictment. She recently disclosed that her &#8220;investment&#8221; in her other client&#8217;s projects has caused a loss of 60% of the value of the trust. Yet our state&#8217;s ethical panel felt that since she wasn&#8217;t charged with a crime, no ethical violation could have occurred.</p>
<p>Now, you post a story that an attorney faces 5 ethical charges for bad mouthing a judge. And you guys wonder why so many people hate attorneys?</p>
<p>Nick Kasoff<br />
<a href="http://www.thugreport.com">The Thug Report</a></p>
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